Animal And Company: RE: [boxer lovers] "breeder" problem, next level

Yes. That was Bang Away. My last show dog, Mayhem was a direct descendant. VERY nice dog. Unfortunately, so many times, the money breeders, the backyard breeders, see a white bitch, search out a white sire and never bother with health issues, dominant or recessive. They just go about breeding "Rare White..whatever" and devil take the handicapped ones. They market that deafness or blindness as another proof of their rarity. I HATE that. but, we all know whites appear in the very best planned best tested and best matched litters. Time was, whites were either left to the elements (a cruel way to go) or euthanized. Today, they are sold to pet buyers under a spay, neuter contract.

Karon Adams

Hestia's Handmaiden

Cooking is a Sacred Endeavour

From: boxerlovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:boxerlovers@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 8:44 AM
To: Jeanne purrfectlyexotic@gmail.com [boxerlovers]
Subject: Re: [boxer lovers] "breeder" problem, next level

Actually, one of the major foundation (German) dogs in Boxer history (20s-30s) was a white Boxer. AKC allowed white boxers to be registered, it was the ABC (American Boxer Club) that banned them, and for the longest time, white Boxers were to just be left behind at the vets at the 3 day check, dew claw and tail snips. Luckily at that time, none of my 2 litters I bred had any whites.

Thankfully, that rule has been changed, but with an absolute no breeding registration given with them and the breeder is only to charge "costs" for a white. And while some are deaf, not all are and any long time Boxer owner (like Karon is) can easily handle the restrictions on boxers and weather.

LisaW

Sent from Beau ... my BlackBerry Z10.

From: Jeanne purrfectlyexotic@gmail.com [boxerlovers]

Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 9:35 PM

To: boxerlovers@yahoogroups.com

Reply To: boxerlovers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [boxer lovers] "breeder" problem, next level

Is it a white Boxer you are looking at?? I wouldn't recommend that.
White is not even a recognized colour in the Boxer breed; white is super
sensitive to weather - they sun burn easily; they cannot tolerate the cold;
the are prone to skin cancer, and they often become, or already are, deaf!
I know I will get slammed by 'white' breeders, but at the same time, they
cannot deny what I say is true.
It can end up being a very costly venture.
There are lots of reputable breeders of fawns (of varying shades!) and
Brindles - of varying patterns and shades,
I urge you to put aside your longing for a puppy and take a bit more time
rather than jumping in because you are so hurt.
I would also report her to the local police and take her to Small Claim
Court and request not only your money back but your costs, and some
compensation for other expenses and for your emotional distress.
Whatever you decide, I wish you the very best of luck.
Let 'us' know how things turn out for you!
Jeanne and lorne
WildThyme Boxers (1980) Ltd.
American and Canadian and some Euro way back
Breeding the beautiful Plain Fawn - a rich red mahogany coat, solid black
mask, white boots and chest; large expressive eyes; and the best
temperament to be found (according to our veterinarians!)
We have Top Champions in our lines, but we are focussing on breeding the
perfect family member more so than show lines.

- *"Cats are not my whole life . . . But they make my life whole! "*

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:30 PM, 'karon' karon@karonadams.com [boxerlovers] <
boxerlovers@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> *For those who were interested, I wanted to update my "Breeder" issue.*
>
>
>
> *I'm STILL out $850.*
>
>
>
> *This "Breeder" is also a show handler. So, if she has your dog and
> anything happens, she'll probably still demand payment for all the usual
> handling expenses, no matter what happened to the dog.*
>
>
>
> *I should have had a new puppy a week ago. Instead, I am sending in an
> internet fraud report to the FBI. This makes me cry every time I think of
> it.*
>
>
>
> *Whenever she has decided to speak to me, all she has said is, SHE had
> bills to pay, which is why she is keeping my money. never mind how many
> meals I skipped to save up enough for a puppy. Never mind what bills I have
> to pay, never mind that I am now going to be paying twice for a puppy. *
>
>
>
> *(I do have another puppy I should be bringing home in two weeks. A
> beautiful little White who's breeder knows what happened and is willing to
> let me make payments instead of paying up front.) So, now, after spending a
> year putting by $10 or $20 where I could, I'll be spending the next year
> taking out $100 regularly to pay for my new buddy. It isn't that I bemoan
> the price of a great pup, but I DO resent her cavalier attitude that her
> bills are more important than mine. Worse, that her bills are more
> important than simple ethics.*
>
>
>
> *If any of you are in the show ring and hiring handlers, feel free to
> contact me and I'll give you this woman's name. she is a fairly well known
> handler from what I hear and shows quite a few dogs. I'm sure there are
> other owners out there who probably wish they had been warned ahead of
> time. I know I wish I had known what her level of honesty and ethics were
> before I even said hello.*
>
>
>
> *So, now, I have another puppy who will join our household, soon, and I
> won't be doing much travel and any extra cash goes into the puppy payment
> jar. I have contact the FBI and my attorney regarding a civil suit as well.
> I suppose she is unaware that a civil judgment could result in a much
> larger loss of cash and a lien on everything she owns as well as her mother
> (since her mother is also an owner on the dogs and the handling business)
> but, considering her ethics, I can just tell her I have bills to pay and
> need the money.*
>
>
>
> *On the up side, new little boy coming to our house, and I'm shopping for
> a name, the original name I had chosen just doesn't feel right. And, it's
> Spring!!! The seeds are going in the ground, the Daffodils are already
> blooming. The Hummingbirds will be here soon and much is going well.*
>
>
>
> *OH! And my broken back is improving. *
>
>
>
> *See you all in the funny papers!!*
>
>
>
> *Karon Adams*
>
> *Hestia's Handmaiden*
>
> *Cooking is a Sacred Endeavour*
>
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]